We are not. That, however, comes back to the idea of not having a right to not be offended (though this is different from vilification), and the concept of adult space. As an adult entering an adult space, you accept that there is a risk that you may come across something you find offensive or inappropriate (but not illegal). You have options for dealing with that, including challenging the material, making people aware of your discomfort, ignoring it and leaving. But your mere presence doesn’t automatically preclude the discussion taking place, or the material being produced.
The presence of a child, however, in many circumstances does. Before the discussion and procede, as a responsible member of society you must ascertain the child's maturity level and/or how their parents feel about them being involved. When you can't do those things, or the child is not mature enough to handle it or the parents dissaprove, you can't have the discussion. If you do continue to have it regardless, you risk some seriously negative repercussions.
We have different expectations for speech when there are children present as opposed to adults. I could hold a conversation with my friends that's exremely sexually explicit. If you overhear it, you might get offended. If I held that same conversation with my friend's teenage son and you overheard it, you might call the police.
All those things you mention about needing checking when children are around are things that I would assume someone on a panel would do even if the room was full of adults, unless the panel was advertised as 'X' rated or somesuch.
I think I see a con as much more of a public space than you do - anyone who pays their money can take part.
Anyway, we've probably typed ourselves out by now. Tanks for the discussion and I hope you feel able to come to a Swancon in the future if you think you might like to. It's be nice to chat in person.
There are levels and degrees. I seized on this as an example given as a good one in that it was something that arose naturally that was not intended to be part of the discussion. It was only when it was realised that there was a child present did the audience have any issues with the direction the conversation was going. There was a collective "oh fark, we should have been watching what we were saying 'lest we corrupt the youth" moment.
But, well, I'll leave it there too.
As for attendence, oh, I'll probably go to swancons in future. I'm really only not going this year because there doesn't seem to be anything about it that interests me. The panels are 'meh' and the guests don't appeal and I'm soon to have a big-ass mortgage that means I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars to sit in the gaming room all weekend.
I look forward to talking with you in person at some point. I even promise I won't eat your daughter alive - at least not without a lot of BBQ sauce ;)
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The presence of a child, however, in many circumstances does. Before the discussion and procede, as a responsible member of society you must ascertain the child's maturity level and/or how their parents feel about them being involved. When you can't do those things, or the child is not mature enough to handle it or the parents dissaprove, you can't have the discussion. If you do continue to have it regardless, you risk some seriously negative repercussions.
We have different expectations for speech when there are children present as opposed to adults. I could hold a conversation with my friends that's exremely sexually explicit. If you overhear it, you might get offended. If I held that same conversation with my friend's teenage son and you overheard it, you might call the police.
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I think I see a con as much more of a public space than you do - anyone who pays their money can take part.
Anyway, we've probably typed ourselves out by now. Tanks for the discussion and I hope you feel able to come to a Swancon in the future if you think you might like to. It's be nice to chat in person.
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But, well, I'll leave it there too.
As for attendence, oh, I'll probably go to swancons in future. I'm really only not going this year because there doesn't seem to be anything about it that interests me. The panels are 'meh' and the guests don't appeal and I'm soon to have a big-ass mortgage that means I can't justify spending hundreds of dollars to sit in the gaming room all weekend.
I look forward to talking with you in person at some point. I even promise I won't eat your daughter alive - at least not without a lot of BBQ sauce ;)