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dalekboy ([personal profile] dalekboy) wrote2006-09-15 09:50 am

100 days of Love and Hate - Day 16

Lists
I'm an anal retentive bugger. So now and again, I go nuts and compile lists and sort things to the nth degree.

A week or two ago, I did a list of subjects for 100 Days of the good and bad things I wanted to talk about. I soon realised that having all the subjects mixed up together made it a little harder to deal with, so a few days back I turned it into a very simple Excel spreadsheet. Two columns, love and hate.

Today, I added additional columns next to the other two. These columns gave each item a general reference. For instance, Human Sexuality has the reference Sex, Fight Club has Film, Event Fandom is fan, etc.

This means I can order the list and see that, over the remaining 84 days, I have 28 film/tv shows and concepts to talk about. 17 people concepts, both specific and types. You get the idea. It also means I can see that my Love list is longer than the Hate list - 77 to 62. It's nice to see the things I love outweigh the things I hate. I was worried at the start that I may have trouble coming up with enough for the good list, but would have plenty for the hate list. I reckon I'll be able to come up with enough on the hate list, but I'm not going to be upset if I don't.

I'm adding to both lists all the time, it's easier than trying to remember that there's a subject I want to talk about when something sparks the thought. Today, for instance, Star Trek Voyager made it onto the Hate list. Twice.

But I love lists. I have lists of almost all my DVD's, lists of the Doctor Who Magazines I'm missing... But I still don't have my 1400 video tapes catalogued. *grin*




Drinking
In this case I'm talking specifically about the cultural push to drink. I have no problem with socialising, but I'm rarely in the mood to drink. Many people drink to relax, as a rule I'm pretty relaxed. I don't need to get drunk to do the things that most people need alcohol for. As to the social aspect - if we're already talking and interacting, how does drinking alcohol make me any more social than if I'm drinking water or softdrink?

I can chat and flirt badly without needing alcoholic lubrication. I've walked down the middle of a major street with my willy out when I was stone cold sober. I don't need the excuse of being drunk to hug the people I care about or act obnoxious. And I have the advantage that the next day I know exactly what I've done and can enjoy it all because I chose to be an idiot, or cuddly, or to drop my trousers, rather than doing it out of diminished ability to judge.

Another reason I rarely drink is that I get brewer's droop. Only takes a couple of drinks and I'm useless from the waist down. And I care a lot more about sex than booze. And if I'm going to have sex, or just a good wank, I want to be fully functional, thank you. Why would I do something that that I rarely enjoy more than a little that actually reduces my ability to do something I like a lot?

The last proper drink I had was probably two years ago. I've had a couple of tastes of things in that time, but not even a full glass. I just haven't had the desire for a drink between then and now. When I do want a drink I'll have one.

(Sidenote - having just said that, I suddenly fancy the idea of a beer. Which is funny because I don't like beer... I wouldn't even know which brand to try. Maybe VB cause dad drank it *grin* )

What shits me is the push. I've struck it many times. You're treated as though there's something wrong with you if you don't want a drink. "What's wrong with you?" "Why won't you drink with us?" "Come on, have a drink. Come on. Go on, just the one. Have a drink." "Don't be unfriendly."

I've actually gotten to the point where now I lie to people who try to push me to have alcohol. I don't like doing it, but after they've pushed once or twice I tell them that I like the booze too much. And they nod and say ok, sorry, and leave it at that. And that's the only way I've found to consistently stop people when the first couple of no thank-yous haven't been enough. By pretending to be alcoholic. How utterly fucked is that?

But I've learnt through bitter experience that if I don't act so drastically, the hassling continues and ends up completely colouring and ruining an otherwise good night. So I trade feeling slightly upset that I've had to lie against being made to feel a social pariah because I'm not in the mood to fill my body with poisonous, brain-damaging chemicals.

I shouldn't have to be put in that position in the first place.

If I didn't like fish, most people wouldn't keep pushing me to eat it. What's amazing is that the people who are pushing the 'be social' angle are actually being so incredibly unsocial, singling me out, making me feel unhappy and put upon by their insistence that I should be drinking.

I had a major fight one year with a good mate who got really pushy about me having a drink on New Year's Eve. He actually said I wasn't being a good friend because I didn't want a drink with him! He stormed off when I said he wasn't being a good friend by trying to force me into something I clearly had no desire to do.

And this sort of behaviour gives me even less desire to drink.

Then there's the other extreme. Most Swancon's I go to a specific, invite only party where the main goal of the party is to have shitloads to drink. It's invite only because you're meant to bring a bottle to share and too many people started rocking up without one. I get to go because I'm a mate. It's the only private party I go to, generally I'd rather go to more public things. But I have good friends there and it's a chance to catch up with them when I otherwise may not manage it, so if I'm going to parties that night, I try to drop in for an hour or so. And I have a great time.

A party where the whole point is to go and get smashed and I have never once been pushed to drink. I regularly get offered the various bizarre concoctions and my no thanks to each is taken at face value, with no further pushing, beyond the occasional 'you sure?' I've not yet had an alcoholic drink at one, but I have no doubt that one day I will. And when I do, I'll be happy to.

If you want a drink around me, go for it, I'm happy for you to have a drink. And please, feel free to offer me one, I may well take you up on it if I'm in the mood.

Just please don't push.

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:42 am (UTC)(link)
Circles make a big difference.

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's the taste that puts me off a lot of them. I love a really nicely aged whiskey though. My first taste of whiskey was Dimple, aged nearly 20 years. It was just warm and pleasent.

I also like Chartruse, nicknamed Green Fire. It can be wuite nice. But the last time I had some would have been about 3 years back. Still got plenty.

As to relaxing... I find you fairly relaxed as you are.

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
I've been vomited one by someone who regularly drank too much and ended up chucking.

And I know of one guy sitting in the back seat of a car, in the middle, and when they couldn't pull over quick enough he projectile vomited straight ahead, it hit the windscreen and splashed back over everyone.

I torture people who vomit because the vomiters rarely have to clean up their mess. So the next day when they are dealing with their hang-overs, I do everything I can to make them feel atrocious.

Re: Drinking

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
For people who don't drink, Sharon and I have a surprising collection of alcohol.

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
You use tables? You are adorable!

I think drugs and booze is easier for some people than doing something active, mentally or physically.

I remember one person talking about her group of friends who she went drinking with every Friday night. She had to take medication at some point and wasn't allowed alcohol, but she still went to the Friday nights. She discovered that the only reason she enjoyed them was because she was getting drunk. When she was sober, all her friends were boring.

She stopped going.

[identity profile] fe2h2o.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
Part of it is being a bloke:-)

Most of my work environments were in Design and Technology (Manual Arts)Departments. Drinks after work were the usual thing. I remember when I started at Narrogin (my first full appointment), they asked about my beer preferences. I don't like beer. They checked me on wine (at the time I didn't really drink wine either). That Friday the fridge had a six pack of coke in it.

That was the entirety of the 'discussion'. I'm sure it was because of being female.

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
Animal Crossing?
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[identity profile] purrdence.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
You missed a great karaoke room party at SwanCon...

[identity profile] kaths.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 09:57 am (UTC)(link)
I think I've mellowed in my old age :)

I do keep trying sips of people's wine, in the vain hope that eventually I'll actually like it...

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure I got to many parties last Swancon. Too busy being all guesty and preparing for things.

[identity profile] fe2h2o.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 11:04 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking that I don't really understand the pushing drinks mindset... but then I thought about when we have guests to dinner (I'm not talking large gatherings where if I remember I'll offer people drinks when they arrive, but other than that assume that if we know them enough to welcome them, then they should feel comfortable enough to help themselves). I find it _very_ difficult if someone doesn't want tea or coffee (or chocolate, or water, or another wine, or a beer, or some other thing we have on offer—we have an _extensive_ range of teas, coffees etc). I often feel quite antsy about their lack of drink (of _any_ description).

I don't know if it's because that's the point where we usually relax in the lounge, and I feel that if they don't get a drink when I'm offering, they'll decide they want one when I sit down? Which is ridiculous, because it's often livelurker doing the actual getting of drinks—he's the coffee expert! And we rarely (never?) have people to dinner who I wouldn't assume would be able to get their own drinks—nor would I have a problem with them doing that...

Very odd... shall have to ponder on it more...

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 11:30 am (UTC)(link)
I look forward to your ponderings :)

[identity profile] fe2h2o.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 12:20 pm (UTC)(link)


I wouldn't expect it any time soon! The last month of pregnancy (there's another 'excuse' you could use for not drinking:-) ) is not really the time for thinking... nor is the first few months after Bilby arrives:-)

[identity profile] gutter-monkey.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm posting from my brother's computer at his house, 'cos he's throwing a birthday party for himself (30) and my dad (60) tomorrow. His ocker friends are going to be setting up a bar in his garage and stocking it with a shitload of alcohol. He's been telling me stories about his friends. Apparently one of them likes to give people a drink called a 'wildfire', which is a shot of vodka or something with about 8 drops of tabasco sauce floating on top. This guy is very proud of the fact that it makes nearly everyone he gives it to throw up. What the fuckity fuck?

I bought a bottle of Kahluah for myself. It'll probably last me an entire year. It's the only alcohol whose taste I like enough.

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh... the ocker mentality... If only we could keep the good stuff and excise the rest.

[identity profile] willowgypsy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I have some friends who I used to love being with (best friend and her husband, in fact) - we used to go there three or four times a week. Role playing one night, card games another night, board games another night, and just hanging out the other. Drinking was something 'on the side' that didn't affect the games or conversation. So it didn't matter that I didn't drink, there was never any pressure. We usually hung out at their's because they had a small child. She's not so small anymore - 11 now.

But then they started using drugs (serious) and drinking more, and the games stopped, and eventually I couldn't stand it anymore because they stopped being who I knew and started being people who drank to excess and 'partied' way too hard and it physically hurt to see them doing that to themselves... so I stopped going.

Now I have written all that in a public forum I wonder if any of them will ever see it...

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 05:50 pm (UTC)(link)
It's always sad when things take a change like that.

[identity profile] davidcook.livejournal.com 2006-09-15 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
All of my co-workers over here were very disappointed when I turned out to be an Aussie who doesn't drink beer ... Glaswegians are rather fond of their drink. (well, two of them are Irish, but they're also fond of their drink)

Also, any club, sporting or other gathering has a default "and then go to the pub afterwards" here - after juggling, after fencing, and the Friends of Kilgore Trout (local SF-ish crowd) just skip the boring bit and meet straight at the pub.

Finally, a lot of people seem to assume that if you don't drink on one occasion, that you don't drink at all, which isn't true in my case either. (ever seen A Very Peculiar Practice ? Like Dr. Daker in that ... ).

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-16 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
I love pub outings. Love them. Always enjoyed the social atmosphere of pubs.

Well, good pubs anyway.

The confusion that people have when they find that you do drink, but sometimes choose not to, is amazing. It seems to be, 'if you like a drink, why wouldn't you do it whenever you get the chance?'

[identity profile] possbert.livejournal.com 2006-09-16 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I like alcohol - in the past I've liked it a leeetle too much. These days, however, I just can't handle the hangovers that result from even small amounts of booze. I hate the headache and nausea and the knowledge that the rest of my day is stuffed because I'm going to feel like this for hours.

That said, I'm very fond of single malt whisky, nearly all of Little Creatures product and champers. I ain't no cheap drunk!

[identity profile] baralier.livejournal.com 2006-09-16 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a list person. Especially when I'm palnning something like a trip. Packing lists are probably my most common one, with item divided into subcategories.
My books and DVDs are catalogued (though my DVD/Videos are only about 300, no where near as many as yours) but my CDs aren't.
Shopping lists, To Do lists (that don't always get completed), reading lists. It's all good.

[identity profile] baralier.livejournal.com 2006-09-16 07:35 am (UTC)(link)
As for the booze, I enjoy a drink but I dislike being drunk. I'm not a beer person though I don't mind some of the UK beers - more ales though. Cider is my preference but it's rather hard to find in Australian pubs and almost non-existent in "wine bars". Spirits I'm fond of, prefering whisky.

Occassionally I'll ask some-one if they're sure they don't want something alcoholic rather than soft but I try not to push the issue. It's all personal choice.

[identity profile] ariaflame.livejournal.com 2006-09-16 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
Extremely cutsey addictive Nitendo game. I've got the Gamecube version but I'm sure there's a DS version also.

(Anonymous) 2006-09-18 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
The "social drink" mentality is very weird, isn't it? I don't like the taste of alcohol, so I don't drink either, but people are always saying "but you'll like this one - it doesn't taste of alcohol!" That hasn't proved to be true yet ;-) I get the same reaction with tea/coffe drinking also though - I don't like the taste of either of those (or even Milo, though I do like hot chocolate), and people can't handle it when you say you don't want one of those either. It's like you're personally rejecting them when you reject their drink. Weird. Jenny

[identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com 2006-09-18 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
I'm the same with all of those. Coffee and tea and Milo.

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