Wise words

[dalekboy]

"...they don’t think they need saving. I mean, they haven’t changed for years, have they? They’re not designed to be wanted because they don’t want to be wanted, not really. They want to be left alone to do their thing, and they don’t want any loud new people in the room. They serve a dwindling audience, and they have to be aware of that — so they have to be in it to simply serve that audience, to provide that presumably cosy experience to their people until the last light goes out. Otherwise they would have done something different years ago."

That's Warren Ellis talking about sf magazines, but he could be talking about the majority of sf fan clubs and conventions in Australia.

Just because your friends turn up, doesn't mean it's good.
Just because it breaks even, doesn't mean it's a success.
Just because something runs, that doesn't mean it's still relevant.

More on this later...

Comments

[sonictail.livejournal.com]

I'm finding this discussion on here facinating, i've wrestled with idea to get JAFWA attendence up and things improving. I've done the time on committee, we implemented new ideas, tried new things but I believe it comes back to the one thing.

Apathy.

Today you can download anything, watch it when you want in the comfort of your own home. why socialize in person when the internet can provide. I make a effort to get together with my mates and watch the shows, attend fantastic planet meets {when I can :p} and goto clubs. I just wish that all media ended with "now get up off your arse and go discuss this with people that you may or may not know IN PERSON"

:p

[dalekboy.livejournal.com]

Some is down to apathy, some down to shyness and insecurity. Why put yourself out there where you may be attacked or looked down upon, when you can interact with hundreds of people all over the world from the safety of your home?

The clubs and cons need to be welcoming, interesting, and relevant. Why would you go to these things? - to meet new people who share the same interests. But you have to feel that it's worth going to, and that the people you will meet will want you there. You have to get something that you can't get at home.

When authors complain that there's too much writing related content, you've gone seriously down the wrong path. And what are the newbies to make of it if the authors are complaining? And the people who aren't into books (despite the way some people act, this isn't a capital crime), what's in it for them?

Fun and excitement are key. Fun events that people won't get to see if they sit at home. Humourous and irreverent debates with people who are fun and worth listening to. Entertainment based panels, mad gameshows, fan olympics... Some of these things make people cringe, but at the same time, it gets folks involved either as a part of the audience or as a participant.

And as I heard at a recent con, from people who actively dislike these events, when you don't have the fun silly stuff, the con lacks spark.

And the next fucker who tells me that the 'So this is your first convention' panels aren't worth running, I swear I'll rip their nipples off! That's the chance for newbies to see who else is in the same boat, to meet people, to ask questions without feeling like they might be a nuisance or dumb.

It's a part of welcoming people to the community.

[angriest.livejournal.com]

The biggest hurdle JAFWA faces today is (and I suspect this is blindingly obvious and I'm telling you how to suck eggs) that anime used to be this hard-to-obtain commodity, and now anyone can download it off the net - or just wait a few months and buy the Madman DVD. A club where you passively watch is always going to start losing members when those members start finding more convenient ways to passively watch.

The solution? I'd recommend a smaller but more dedicated club, less screenings, more discussions, a strong push to develop a local doujinshi/amateur manga subculture, maybe a shift away from weekly meetings, stuff like that.

[sonictail.livejournal.com]

So that's why every time I sucked eggs I failed < / sarcasm >
No, it's apparent and obvious i.e plank to the face obvious. Hence the apathy, why get together with people when you can watch it at home. There isn't even that movie mentality where you have to watch stuff with mates.

JAFWA keeps trying to foster a more enjoyable friendly atmosphere, we now have a foyer where we play games and chat. And the theater is downsized, the problem is if you completly change, you lose people you had before.

In regards to the last bit, Reckon you could keep a saturday night free at some stage? I have a group I want you to meet.

[angriest.livejournal.com]

Another problem of course is that Madman now cherry-pick most of the best anime before JAFWA would have a chance to screen it.

Yeah I can keep a Saturday free, depending on which Saturday it is.