Just got back from wandering the Giralang shops with my better camera (but no tripod). Pictures will be up when I find time.

On the way back I walked past the soccer field and there were a bunch of kids playing and being coached. The field was lovely, the kids seemed to be having fun, and in the distance between the trees, the Telstra tower was lit orange by the setting sun. It would have been a gorgeous photo.

Five years ago.

But of course, in this day and age, I couldn't afford to take it.

Someone may have seen the guy on the footpath with the camera and decided I'm obviously a paedophile, because the only people who could ever have wanted to record a scene like that would be fiends and perverts. No ordinary person could derive pleasure from such shot - children playing at sunset with a solid Canberra icon in the background.

Someone may have made the accusation, and with no prior record or any evidence more substantial than a person worrying about someone standing in open view taking a photo of kids rugged up against the cold and playing sport, I would be investigated. Our computers would be confiscated (usually returned damaged, even if there is not a shred of proof of wrong-doing), friends questioned, and the fact that I play Father Christmas would probably work against me, even though there has never been the slightest concern regarding my conduct with any child. I'm considered one of the company's best Santas.

Oh, and chances are I would have to move out, leaving my 73 year old mum to try and care of my son all day long (which would not be good for either of them), or my son would be taken away from us while the investigation took place.

After months of investigation, even after being found completely innocent, there would still be people who looked at me askance. Because there's no smoke without fire, apparently. Oh and I wouldn't be allowed to play Santa again, because it would be recorded that I was investigated, and that's enough to stop me being allowed to play the part.

Meanwhile, I'm assuming that most of the perverts who have any sense are buying camera glasses and pinhole cameras and getting their pictures that way.

For the rest of us, well, the world gets just that little bit smaller and less colourful as the illusion of safety is maintained for the masses.

It's all really rather a shame, as it would have been a beautiful photo.

From: [identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com


Recent studies seem to suggest that the rate of abuse by women is actually substantially higher than first thought. 25% is currently being bandied about as the figure. One of the big issues is that if a child said they were being touched inappropriately by a woman, the default was that the child must be confused or mistaken, as a woman was thought incapable of such behaviour.

Now it's coming out that female teachers, mothers, grandmothers, aunts, etc. make up a sizeable portion of child molesters. And some have gotten away with it for decades because no-one would believe the kids.

Personally, I've had a gutfull of the assumption that, as a male, I'm automatically predisposed towards interfering with children, and have to be treated as a potential danger right from the start.

From: [identity profile] vegetus.livejournal.com


It reminds me of the assumption that domestic violence is something that only men do towards women.

It's crazy, but I'm not sure what we as a society can do to change this growing anti-men attitude and you do have the right to be sick of it.

From: [identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com


In the 90's I had a friend, heavily involved in the gay community, who worked for the Centre Against Sexual Assault.

She said that one of the great lies was that women don't beat women. And what made it worse was that there was a portion of the lesbian community that would tell victims again and again how bad and violet men are.

The really tragic thing was that some of these victims had already come out of violent relationships with men and made a choice to only pursue relationships with women so they wouldn't have to go through that sort of treatment again.

So what you would end up with was the victims convincing themselves that they were better off with their female partner who beats and terrorises them, because at least they weren't with one of those awful men.

Don't get me wrong, men have certainly earned their place as bastard wife beaters and abusers. But lumping all of us in that category, while ignoring that there are women that indulge in verbal, physical, emotional, and sexual abuse, well it only helps hide a chunk of the problem.

From: [identity profile] vegetus.livejournal.com


That's awful and incredibly frustrating... We're in 2009 now and I don't see any change in the way we treat people who have abusive female partners from what your friend described in the 90s. I think as a culture (and certainly within certain lobby groups) the idea that women can't be abusive still perminates. For example the government funded The Women's Domestic Violence Helpline is for victims and the Men's Domestic Violence Helpline is for perpetrators. And people wonder why I'm anti-feminist.

From: [identity profile] magnapops.livejournal.com


Because I am mentoring (online) a teenager for the Smith family I have had to get a Working with Childrens check.

What does this prove?

Who is made to feel comfortable?

How does it help?

From: [identity profile] vegetus.livejournal.com


I'm a school teacher so have to go through similar police checks. It just proves I haven't been caught doing drugs or fiddling kids and given so many cases don't get reported for various reasons it is hardly a complete process. A bit like the "are you a war criminal" question on visa applications, noone is going to answer "yes" to them.

From: [identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com


Every time I play Santa, I have to get a police check done. I don't mind this, but if I've had X-number of police checks that have all been clear, I'd like the frequency of needing to be checked to be reduced. So that maybe after five years it goes to every second year. After fifteen years it drops to every five.

Having to be checked every year regardless just says, "Yes, you've never done a single thing to warrant concern, but we consider you to be a ticking timebomb nonetheless."

From: [identity profile] magnapops.livejournal.com


My problem with this is that it proves nothing. What is in the process to stop you from doing what they are trying to stop?

So if it does nothing to stop it, who is it for? Why do it?

From: [identity profile] dalekboy.livejournal.com


I think the initial check makes sense. You certainly don't want someone who has been arrested for sex crimes against children getting a job that puts them with kids.

I also think the process exists to dissuade people from going for those jobs. I wonder how many people who have been thinking about young girls sitting on their knee have been put off playing Father Christmas because they have to have a police check? They may never have been arrested for anything, but they might be scared off by the idea that maybe the police will dig deep and find something to arrest them on.

The problem is that, like most systems, it's very easy to get past it, deliberately or accidentally. I know one year I played Santa without having had the check done. I thought the company was going to handle it, they thought I was going to handle it. So I played Santa for six weeks without having been checked up on for the Nth time.

At the same time, I had one woman tell me about her nieces, who had been felt up in no uncertain terms by the Santa the previous year. When I asked if they reported him, they said no, and all I could think was, 'And how many other people didn't report him, which is why your nieces got felt up? And how many girls got felt up after yours?'

So, genuine question, what steps do you think should be taken to protect people like the one you're mentoring? What process would you be satisfied with as a good working proposal that protects everyone invonved?

From: [identity profile] magnapops.livejournal.com


What's wrong with the general public pointing out this stuff? We have already accepted that the checks don't stop the "Santa's from feeling up little children" So if we aren't relying on police checks to ensure people are ok to be around children, maybe we can stop making the 98% of the population feel like criminals when we want to take an innocent picture.


From: [identity profile] vegetus.livejournal.com


In WA the working with children check lasts 3 years whilst my UK police check needs to be done for each employer I have (even if I have one for another employer that is still valid). It seems to vary alot from area to area.
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